A documentary filmmaker who had access to Donald Trump before, during and after the riot on the U.S. Capitol last yr said he was “very scared” of the previous president when he interviewed him.
British filmmaker Alex Holder interviewed Trump 3 times for his “Unprecedented” documentary. The primary time was on Dec. 7, 2020, on the White House. At that juncture, Trump had clearly lost the presidential election and failed in multiple swing states to legally challenge the outcomes.
On Dec. 1, then-Attorney General Bill Barr told The Associated Press that the Justice Department had not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that will change the end result of the 2020 presidential election.
In accordance with testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide working within the Trump White House on the time, Trump was so enraged by Barr’s interview that he threw his plate of food on the wall, smearing it with ketchup.
When asked about Trump’s temper on “The Bulwark Podcast,” Holder said, “I never saw any ketchup on any partitions or table cloths being pulled,” but he could consider it happened.
“Within the White House, when he got here in, he was furious,” Holder said about their first interview. “And for lack of a greater word, powerful. He was furious. And I used to be very scared.”
“I mean, that was definitely the sensation I got after that interview,” Holder added. “I used to be like, the shit is gonna hit the fan. That is going to be a nasty next few weeks. I mean, there was absolute confidence he was gonna go full on.”
Weeks later, a mob of Trump’s supporters, spurred on by the then-president, laid siege to the U.S. Capitol in an effort to overturn the election results.
In his second interview with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March 2021, Holder said the previous president was struggling after he was banned from Twitter for inciting the Jan. 6 rebel.
“He looked terrible, he’d placed on a number of weight. He was incredibly depressed,” Holder said. “And a bit behind the scenes secret: The explanation for all of that was because he was going through an actual withdrawal from not with the ability to use Twitter. Yeah, I promise. I mean, that’s literally what his closest aide said to me. He was in essentially the most terrible foul mood because he couldn’t use social media.”
Holder was granted extraordinary access to Trump and his three eldest children: Ivanka, Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Consequently, he became a key witness for the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack and testified at a hearing in July.
“Unprecedented” is now streaming on Discovery+